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    Hi all,

    While reading through posts in this section, i was wondering if someone does Mpharm from Uk and goes abroad to do his pre-reg would he be accepted as Pharmacist in the UK? Or would he have to do his pre-reg again in Uk to practice as a pharmacist?

    Thank You

  • #2
    Re: Pre-reg abroad

    As far as I know, you cannot "go abroad" to do your pre-reg year..it must be completed and assessed entirely within the UK, in order to be granted the MRPharmS diploma to practice. After that, it's pretty much up to you to find out which countries will accept RPSGB membership as an access qualification without further study.
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    • #3
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      oh ok .. Well a Canadian friend of mine is currently studying pharmacy in Uk, since he's in his 3rd year now i asked him what his plans were after finishing his degree. he said that he will do his pre-reg in Canada, do a test and get qualified there. So that's the reason I was thinking if he would be recognised as a pharmacist in uk having done his degree?
      But since he cant do his pre-reg abroad, this option is out of question?

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      • #4
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        I'm guessing he wants to register as a canadian pharmacist so will do their pre-reg and pass their overseas equivalency exams as well. If he wants to practise in the uk he'll either have to do an equivalency exam once he registers in canada or may possibly have to do a pre-reg year as he has a uk degree. Either way it'll be complicated for him.
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        • #5
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          So if you finish the degree in the UK, there is the option of not doing pre-reg here and applying to a different country and going through their training?

          Secondly, what is the degree awarded as mpharm (hons)??
          3rd yr pharmacy student - bath

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          • #6
            Re: Pre-reg abroad

            Originally posted by Asterix View Post
            So if you finish the degree in the UK, there is the option of not doing pre-reg here and applying to a different country and going through their training?

            Secondly, what is the degree awarded as mpharm (hons)??
            there is that option but it is dependent on the country in question and their regard for the percieved quality of the uk pharmacy degree.

            When i did the MPharm course (as one of the first few bunches to do so) it wasn't an honours couse although this may have changed - check with the establisment you are applying to or with UCAS for specific info.
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            • #7
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              I don't understand why you would want to do you pre-reg abroad, its very limiting. Practically every pharmacy regulator in the world's first question will be "Are you registered or eligible for registration in the country in which you trained?"

              If you do your pre-reg in a different country you will probably be stuck there for the rest of your professional life. Don't forget that you can only start you pre-reg within two years of getting your undergrad degree in most countries so unless you are sure that you will never change your mind I would do it where you started training.
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              • #8
                Re: Pre-reg abroad

                Originally posted by paul2008 View Post
                I don't understand why you would want to do you pre-reg abroad, its very limiting. Practically every pharmacy regulator in the world's first question will be "Are you registered or eligible for registration in the country in which you trained?"

                If you do your pre-reg in a different country you will probably be stuck there for the rest of your professional life. Don't forget that you can only start you pre-reg within two years of getting your undergrad degree in most countries so unless you are sure that you will never change your mind I would do it where you started training.
                Would it be a problem if it was an EU member state?
                Eire sounds like the only one where English would normally be spoken/understood.
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                • #9
                  Re: Pre-reg abroad

                  Originally posted by Pharmanaut View Post
                  Would it be a problem if it was an EU member state?
                  Eire sounds like the only one where English would normally be spoken/understood.
                  Only if you ever wanted to work in another Non-EU state eg Australia.
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                  • #10
                    Re: Pre-reg abroad

                    Originally posted by paul2008 View Post
                    Only if you ever wanted to work in another Non-EU state eg Australia.
                    Thanks to the PharmSoc we now have to jump through hoops to work in Aus or NZ. Not sure why they couldn't keep the reciprocal and have EU free access.
                    Probably scared of having some legal test case thrown at them?
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                    • #11
                      Re: Pre-reg abroad

                      Originally posted by Pharmanaut View Post
                      Thanks to the PharmSoc we now have to jump through hoops to work in Aus or NZ. Not sure why they couldn't keep the reciprocal and have EU free access.
                      Probably scared of having some legal test case thrown at them?
                      Ah but no other country has a £7000 year long hoop called the Overseas Pharmacists Assessment Program yet. All you have to do is pass the exams and redo a pre-reg year, still much easier and cheaper.

                      Some years ago a number of pharmacists were going to the middle east for short contracts because the pay was very good and if they could live a couple of years without wine and women they would leave with a nice nest egg.
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                      • #12
                        Re: Pre-reg abroad

                        Originally posted by paul2008 View Post
                        Ah but no other country has a £7000 year long hoop called the Overseas Pharmacists Assessment Program yet. All you have to do is pass the exams and redo a pre-reg year, still much easier and cheaper.

                        Some years ago a number of pharmacists were going to the middle east for short contracts because the pay was very good and if they could live a couple of years without wine and women they would leave with a nice nest egg.
                        I am not sure if the OSPAP course will continue for much longer with the increase in home grown candidates studying pharmacy. We must have the easiest system for overseas pharmacists to enter here.

                        Can I ask what is the procedure now for wanting to work in aus or nz?
                        3rd yr pharmacy student - bath

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                        • #13
                          Re: Pre-reg abroad

                          Originally posted by Sir_Dispensalot View Post
                          there is that option but it is dependent on the country in question and their regard for the percieved quality of the uk pharmacy degree.

                          When i did the MPharm course (as one of the first few bunches to do so) it wasn't an honours couse although this may have changed - check with the establisment you are applying to or with UCAS for specific info.



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                          • #14
                            Re: Pre-reg abroad

                            It depends if it is an undergraduate or post graduate Mpharm. I think Mpharm (HONS) is effectively an undergraduate honours degree not much different from the BSc/BA (HONS). Its the same formula 3 years +1 year=4 years.

                            A masters degree is usually a post graduate qualification. It would be either with distinction or without distinction. IIRC the levels are: Bachelors, Honours, PGDip, Masters, PHD. Call it what you want other countries will just fit it into the appropriate box. But unless you want go there why worry.

                            These days all the requirements for most countries are on the internet if you look. Some people have put it together in a package and sell it, a very interesting read but grossly over priced. Currently the New South Wales Pharmacy board of Australia only requires a baseline exam, and around 4 weeks of pre reg followed by a law exam for UK trained pharmacists. If you think this hard look at the requirements for an Austrailan coming the other way. The UK system is the hardest in the world to discourage people from coming here, don't even think of making it harder. There needs to be a door for foreigners, for a number of reasons not limited to these.

                            1. So British pharmacists can work in other countries should they choose for personal or humanitarian reasons. I gather from this forum that most of Europe is out of the question unless you are fluent in the local lanuage.
                            2. To cater for pharmacists who are silly enough to move to the UK for reasons of the heart or any other reason. No reason why these people should not use their skills to benefit the UK population and economy.
                            3. To allow for recruitment of specialist pharmacists from other parts of the world to share experiance and develop the profession. The more pharmacists isolate themselves the weaker they become.

                            I do think that the OSPA programme should be replsace by an exam that selects candidates for the OSPAP course and pushes candidates who don't need it into a pre-reg position. This is a sensible position, it also means that those who have had a better pharmacy education than the UK offers for example the PharmD will not gain a negative opinion of the Mpharm with or without its honours.


                            Last edited by paul2008; 12, October 2008, 02:26 PM. Reason: spelling!!!!!!!!!!!!
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                            • #15
                              Re: Pre-reg abroad

                              During your prereg year you are able to do up to 13 weeks in an EU country, as long as the site is able to meet the RPSGB requirements. You have to apply to society so they can allow you to do this so make sure you look into it well in davance.

                              I know the European Pharmaceutical Students' Association (www.epsa-online.org) has a scheme called the 'individual mobility project' that helps students facilitate such activities.

                              Unless you speak the language of that country you are most likely to find yourself working in accademia or industry for the time you are there.
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