Has anyone got a protocol trained technicians could use for MURs
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Originally posted by kemzero View PostHas anyone got a protocol trained technicians could use for MURs
More to the point, why would you have technicians doing MURs? How many techs would connect the threads of some on statins complaining of muscle pain, or a woman on the COC who tells you they are taking ibuprofen for headaches?
Even more to the point, I really enjoy doing MURs (though not the pile of scripts to check when I finish). It's not something I would want to delegate, or feel happy delegating.
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Originally posted by Zoggite View PostYes:
1. Go to Uni for 5 years
2. Study Pharmacy
3. Pass the RPSGB registration exam
4. Do the Medway MUR accreditaion course
5. Easy, isn't it?
Don't you think that's a bit harsh, as they will not be signing the MURs off, quite a few techs in PCTs do medication reviews etc , some are actually completing post graduate Medicines Management courses
I am aware the service spec does not include tech but neither does the service spec for dispensing .
Certainly a techs' pharmaceutical knowledge may not be on parr with a p'cists' but they should be able to support at any levelKemzo the pharmacist forumly known as kemzero
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Originally posted by Steve G View Postdoesn't exist and can't be done - look at the service specification in the drug tariff (though you could get away with a good pre-reg doing them - I did).
More to the point, why would you have technicians doing MURs? How many techs would connect the threads of some on statins complaining of muscle pain, or a woman on the COC who tells you they are taking ibuprofen for headaches?
Even more to the point, I really enjoy doing MURs (though not the pile of scripts to check when I finish). It's not something I would want to delegate, or feel happy delegating.
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Originally posted by kemzero View PostCombined Oral Contraceptives??
Maybe we should ban the use of Acromyns on this forum they can be somewhat confusing..what say you all?
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Originally posted by kemzero View PostHi Zoggite
Don't you think that's a bit harsh, as they will not be signing the MURs off, quite a few techs in PCTs do medication reviews etc , some are actually completing post graduate Medicines Management courses
I am aware the service spec does not include tech but neither does the service spec for dispensing .
Certainly a techs' pharmaceutical knowledge may not be on parr with a p'cists' but they should be able to support at any level
And seriously, if MURs were delegated to techs, do you think the govt. would pay £25 per MUR? I doubt it. It's also difficult enough to get GPs on side as it is. It would be almost impossible if it was techs doing them.
I am quite happy to delegate technical tasks where possible, but not cognitive services. We need to be comfortable with MURs before we can move on to prescribing. Delegating to techs wont help at all.
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Originally posted by Steve G View PostTechs should be able to support pharmacists doing MURs - I have no problem with them selling the service to patients and filling in some of the paperwork beforehand. In fact I know a great way a tech could support me doing MURs - be a checking tech so I don't have to worry about the pile of scripts from the surgery.
And seriously, if MURs were delegated to techs, do you think the govt. would pay £25 per MUR? I doubt it. It's also difficult enough to get GPs on side as it is. It would be almost impossible if it was techs doing them.
I am quite happy to delegate technical tasks where possible, but not cognitive services. We need to be comfortable with MURs before we can move on to prescribing. Delegating to techs wont help at all.Kemzo the pharmacist forumly known as kemzero
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Originally posted by kemzero View PostCombined Oral Contraceptives??
Maybe we should ban the use of Acromyns on this forum they can be somewhat confusing..what say you all?
Thank you. It is good to keep the abbreviations but with an explanation about what they are to learn from it.
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Originally posted by Steve G View PostTechs should be able to support pharmacists doing MURs - I have no problem with them selling the service to patients and filling in some of the paperwork beforehand. In fact I know a great way a tech could support me doing MURs - be a checking tech so I don't have to worry about the pile of scripts from the surgery.
And seriously, if MURs were delegated to techs, do you think the govt. would pay £25 per MUR? I doubt it. It's also difficult enough to get GPs on side as it is. It would be almost impossible if it was techs doing them.
I am quite happy to delegate technical tasks where possible, but not cognitive services. Delegating to techs wont help at all.
you echo my views perfectly.
Besides, how can you "sign off" a Medicines Use Review? (no acronyms, remember?!)A significant part of the benefits of such reviews is to communicate with the patient, listen to them and respond to their worries/queries, and to get them to take ownership of their medication regime, thus increasing concordance; we'll miss that target completely if we just delegate the "one-to-one" bit and let our only involvement in the whole review be a byro-stain on the bottom of a form...
Originally posted by Steve G View PostWe need to be comfortable with MURs before we can move on to prescribing.Ze genuine Article, present & perfect!
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Originally posted by Steve G View PostOk then, prescribing at NHS expense, including POMs.Linnear MRPharmS
Foetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder: The biggest cause of brain damage and 100% preventable.
In pregnancy: 1 fag is not safe, 1 x-ray is not safe and 1 drink is not safe.
For handy pharmacy links try
pharmacistance.co.uk
If you like my posts or letters in the journal try my books!
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