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    Here's a post I read recently from another forum. Comments anyone?........



    I am in a goo position to talk about pharmacy because i am just going into the 3rd year of the mpharm degree.

    My background is A levels (A in Bio, A in sport studies, B in chemistry + AS physics B)

    I ended up in pharm by default, was all set to go to study sport science then after i got results changed mind and decided i should use my bio and chem more than just being a PE teacher (which is what i was going to do). Went do phamr through clearing

    I am majorly regretting it now as i no i def want to do medicine and become a GP

    Heres my opinions of Pharmacy

    1. The 1st two years have been so easy, only a level standard and the amount of formulation modules and organic chem is stupidly boring

    2. Pharm is a decent job that has 2 options hospital or community. IMO community is just like a shop assistant who check a gp's work. Gets decent money 30-40k however if you go into your own buissness could be extremely rich.

    3. Hospital pharm is very poorly paid, pre reg is decent ~19k now but qualified = 22-35 normally, top ones may eventually reach 45-50k.

    I intend to finish the MPharm degree and complete pre-reg in hospital then forfill my recently decided ambition to be a gp.

    If i get onto a grad course i will be finished med school after a total of 9 years, as opposed to the normal 5-6. However at least i will have had one year in the middle earning 20k as pre-reg and can work as a locum during med school so i should hopefully have no debts.

    Pharmacy is easy at uni, however the pre-reg exam is certainly not so straight forward (and a max of 3 attempts can be made)

    Hopefully in the future i will be writing the scripts for the pharmacist to check

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    Last edited by Fleegle; 9, October 2008, 09:04 PM. Reason: Spacing
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    Did he actually say he got into pharmacy throught clearing????

    My goodness,standards have dropped!

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    • #3
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      An absolute cracker isn't it?
      Don't Stop Believing

      http://youtube.com/watch?v=rnT7nYbCSvM

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        1. hit the nail on the head more or less, its a pity upto second semester of the third year of the course, students are not taught about things like treatment and different conditions, the first year is a waste where you are retaught things like biology and chemistry, physics and maths also the course I did was severly lacking in certain relevant content such as diagnosis of minor ailments, a skill which a pharmacist must use on everyday they practice as a community pharmacist. There is no management aspect to the course, which should atleast be an optional module.

        HIs time projection is a bit optimistic at 9 years, 5 years for pharmacy plus 7 years (4 years graduate course+3), thats 12 years to me. Also by the time s/he qualifies

        2. by the time s/he qualifies pharmacists will be alot more active and there will be atleast five avenues to explore

        3. yup, hospital pharmacy pay does take the piss, and no offence to nurses but one is operating at their level or below them in such settings.

        by the time s/he qualifies as a GP i'm sure pharmacist's will be coming out of uni being able to prescribe once thy complete the pre-reg, even if it's not on the NHS.
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          Originally posted by SolomonQ View Post
          1. hit the nail on the head more or less, its a pity upto second semester of the third year of the course, students are not taught about things like treatment and different conditions, the first year is a waste where you are retaught things like biology and chemistry, physics and maths also the course I did was severly lacking in certain relevant content such as diagnosis of minor ailments, a skill which a pharmacist must use on everyday they practice as a community pharmacist. There is no management aspect to the course, which should atleast be an optional module.
          Where did you go to uni? I didn't think courses from uni to uni differed THAT much!

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            "2. Pharm is a decent job that has 2 options hospital or community. IMO community is just like a shop assistant who check a gp's work. Gets decent money 30-40k however if you go into your own buissness could be extremely rich."

            Community pharmacy is changing. The MUR system is the beginning of a more clinical role for pharmacists. Minor ailment schemes and the possibility of pharmacist prescribing, patient group directives and other services are hopefully going to bring the profession forward. Pharmacists need to be proactive in capturing these oportunities before they are given to nurses.
            Currently there are too many "stick in the muds" who think that counting to 28 is worth fighting for, that's the role of a checking dispenser.

            "however if you go into your own buissness could be extremely rich."
            The current squeeze on drug prices and slow implementation of new services don't make for a profitable business model. Only multiples and small groups will survive I fear. Sole traders are a thing of the past.
            [I]Nice information. I like your information very much. It is a perfect information that clears all my doubts and gives a clear idea regarding that. It is really advantageous for me.I would definably take the benefit of it.[/I]

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              Solomon what's the 5 branches you talk about?
              3rd yr pharmacy student - bath

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                The courses at all unis vary greatly between them, degrees arent like A-Levels etc... where the content is decided nationally bu the relevant exam board, the university individually decided what to include and to be specific the lecturer assigned to teach a specific course decides what to include it in, abviously after getting guidance from other parts of the degree.

                Five sectors i was talking about:

                1.Community
                2. Hospital
                3. Primary Care
                4.Industry
                5.Academic
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                  Originally posted by SolomonQ View Post
                  The courses at all unis vary greatly between them, degrees arent like A-Levels etc... where the content is decided nationally bu the relevant exam board, the university individually decided what to include and to be specific the lecturer assigned to teach a specific course decides what to include it in, abviously after getting guidance from other parts of the degree.
                  I know that but to not do a lot of pharmacy practice until the second half of third year seems a little strange. I think I would have found the course hard to stick at cause that was always my favourite part!

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                    well to be honest, we didnt get taught anything "useful" until the third year anyway, we had a course that was geared towards the pharmacy practice part from the first year which included basic things like counselling process, self-treatment etc... but it was more academic rather than practical.
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                      Originally posted by SolomonQ View Post
                      The courses at all unis vary greatly between them, degrees arent like A-Levels etc... where the content is decided nationally bu the relevant exam board, the university individually decided what to include and to be specific the lecturer assigned to teach a specific course decides what to include it in, abviously after getting guidance from other parts of the degree.

                      Five sectors i was talking about:

                      1.Community
                      2. Hospital
                      3. Primary Care
                      4.Industry
                      5.Academic
                      6. Informatics. (no less specialised than 4 and 5)
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                        I don't see the difference between 1 and 3?
                        [I]Nice information. I like your information very much. It is a perfect information that clears all my doubts and gives a clear idea regarding that. It is really advantageous for me.I would definably take the benefit of it.[/I]

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                        • #13
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                          Originally posted by Pharmanaut View Post
                          6. Informatics. (no less specialised than 4 and 5)
                          In hospital. what are the main sectors, for example there is a radio pharmacist right?
                          3rd yr pharmacy student - bath

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                            What exactally is informatics? Medicines information???? I could have included a few "ify" one like medical writer but this opens a whole new can of worms.

                            Working in primary care refers to phrmacists who work with the PCT to e.g. advising on formularies to be used in non-hospital settings, also include things like assessment of a GP practice's prescribing patterns and advising changes to save them money, non-pharmacy pharmacist lead clinics etc....
                            We are the music makers, We are the dreamers of dreams and God damn we are that good

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                              Originally posted by SolomonQ View Post
                              What exactally is informatics? Medicines information????
                              From Wiki

                              Informatics is the science of information, the practice of information processing, and the engineering of information systems.

                              Health informatics or medical informatics is the intersection of information science, computer science, and health care. It deals with the resources, devices, and methods required to optimize the acquisition, storage, retrieval, and use of information in health and biomedicine. Health informatics tools include not only computers but also clinical guidelines, formal medical terminologies, and information and communication systems.

                              or from the BMJ

                              The terms 'medical informatics' and 'health informatics' have been variously defined, but can be best understood as the understanding, skills and tools that enable the sharing and use of information to deliver healthcare and promote health.

                              Is that clear enough?

                              Jeff

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