help i need a locum!

[Pharmanaut]

[QUOTE=ramroum;31118]
Is teachers pay comparable to a pharmacists, £40K?
Sounds good - we could probably manage to transfer our skills to teach any science.
(OK maybe not thermodynamics <g>)
The holidays would be nice too....
Could be a nice earner as a locum.
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[johnep]

I did a couple of years 59/60 teaching at a london Grammar school and then in Grays, Essex. Did locums most Saturdays and in the holidays.

Found teaching more exhausting than locums at first, in bed at 8pm first couple of weeks.

remember when I had to supervise Saturday football and lost day locum pay.

johnep

[Hello]

My husband is a builder by trade and I know the person with the most useful skills in our house isn't me

Does that mean you would never have married a banker or accountant etc as they'd be totally useless around the house?

I'd say you can't compare the skills of a builder and a pharmacist and in fact some people might say the skills of a pharmacist in a household are more useful than a builders especially when there is a 2 y/o baby with a rash all over their tiny body, are sensitive to light and have a stiff neck!!!!!!!!

[admin]

Does that mean you would never have married a banker or accountant etc as they'd be totally useless around the house?

No of course it doesn't - I didn't marry him for his DIY skills.

I'd say you can't compare the skills of a builder and a pharmacist

Exactly, so why do we so often see letters in the PJ, on here etc etc tha start by saying "A plumber/builder/whatever gets paid more then we do". Pharmacists seem to think they can compare and they are at the top - that was my point.

and in fact some people might say the skills of a pharmacist in a household are more useful than a builders especially when there is a 2 y/o baby with a rash all over their tiny body, are sensitive to light and have a stiff neck!!!!!!!!

I think most parents don't need a pharmacist in that situation to tell them what to do.

[SolomonQ]

Would the same be said by say a doctor married to a builder?

I can go tomorow to B&Q or wickes, grab a few tools and material and repair and rebuild part of my garden wall, that MAKES me a builder, in comparison some one else can easily work in a shop or pharmacy selling paracetamol and watnot but that doesn't make them a pharmacist.

and plumbers' pay is compared to pharmacists' to show the injustice of it, pharmacists work directly to make sure people get the right meds as safely as possible, this involves specialist knowledge which helps to screen Rxs written by doctors, one mistake missed or made could lead to a patient dying and the pharmacist being struck off and no longer able to practice, career over. Countering this by saying that if a plumber doesn't fix something right it can blow up etc... is like saying if the street cleaners don't do their job properly then someone could die by slipping on a discarded banana skin. The cleaner might be sacked for this but s/he can go get a similar cleaning job somewhere else paying the same if not more.

I personally don't compare my wages to builders/plumbers etc...although I would be pissed off as a doctor because that involves actually saving people's lifes, and the thing is with the current setup no matter how good a doctor you are unless you follw the hospital route you end up earning the same as those who are lousy doctors (e.g. GPs), same goes with pharmacists, no matter how good you are the corporates just wants someone to tick the boxes and send the meds out, if anything goes wrong the pharamcist loses their career, and if the pharmacist does well the company makes loadsa money.

On a final note building isn't a hard skill to pick up, in other countries especially the non developed ones builders are paid dramatically low wages, because anyone off the street can learn the trade in say half a year, however in this country they are paid highly because first of all not many people are willing to do the physically demanding and dirty work involved and secondly because of the housing market etc...e.g. a builder can charge you 10k for an extension to your house which costs only say 2k in materials and a month to build but this extension will add maybe 20k to the house value so people are willing to pay. Where do people get this sort of money from? re-mortagaging. Now that this source had dried up trades like builders/plumbers etc are suffering, and what kind of jobs/roles are standing tall? well,one is pharmacy. But the ones laughin are the builders because they took your money and left your extension half built and there is nothing you can do about it.

[Rafael]

everyone is professional in his field, the faster we accept it, the easier we move on. i do not see the point of comparing a pharmacist's career and income to that of a plumber. if money is the ONLY way to decide who is professional, then a lucky gambler making money at the casino is the most professional individual. Having said that, i believe pharmacists hourly wage should be way higher than what it's now
oh btw in some countries, rubbish collectors are paid more than doctors.

[admin]

Would the same be said by say a doctor married to a builder?

I would doubt that very much, but I'm a pharmacist. I think on the whole doctors do earn more then builders.

I can go tomorow to B&Q or wickes, grab a few tools and material and repair and rebuild part of my garden wall, that MAKES me a builder

No it doesn't.

and plumbers' pay is compared to pharmacists' to show the injustice of it,

What injustice? Are you above a plumber in some way? Corgi registered plumbers are now calling themselves a "Gas Safe Registered Engineer" - maybe they got sick of pharmacists putting them down????

pharmacists work directly to make sure the patient get the right....and on and on.....

I know this - it's what I do for my job.

Countering this by saying that if a plumber doesn't fix something right it can blow up etc...is like saying if the street cleaners don't do their job properly then someone could die by slipping on a discarded banana skin.

No it isn't. A gas leak caused by a faulty repair could literally blow the street up. That isn't like slipping on a banana skin.

On a final note building isn't a hard skill to pick up, in this country they are paid highly because of the housing market etc...e.g. a builder can charge you 10k for an extension to your house which costs only say 2k......

The only word that springs to mind here is bo***cks.

I personally don't compare my wages to builders/plumbers etc...although I would be pissed off as a doctor........

I am not a doctor, I am a pharmacist and was thus putting forward my own little viewpoint as a pharmacist.

because that involves actually saving people's lifes

Yes doctors do that it's true. I was however speaking as a pharmacist.

The whole point is if you feel the need to look down on other people, and try to devalue them in order to keep your own ego up, well......what can we say about a person who needs to do that? Perception is reality? Are we paid what we are worth?

Anyway enough of this. I'm going on my hols for a week with a very nice builder so I won't be able to reply. He did build us a lovely conservatory - well he did the base. It's 4m by 5m Victorian shape, and the total amount it's out all around is 20mm. My contribution? I put two soluble paracetamols in some water and gave it to him when he had a headache.

If you can get some bricks from B@Q and do the same job maybe you should change your career like this guy did - have a look at the fourth post down (last paragraph!) and so on: -

Career change

Have a good week y'all !!!

[SolomonQ]

All this only leads us to a circular argument, where people want to believe what they believe, and not look at reality, and...

Would the same be said by say a doctor married to a builder?

I would doubt that very much, but I'm a pharmacist.

..this ends all debate (Sorry). A builder is useful around the house compared to a pharmacist but the same builder is less useful around the saem house compared to a doctor??? doesn't make sense. Inconsistancy indicates the reason given is not the actual one for the held belief.

I can go tomorow to B&Q or wickes, grab a few tools and material and repair and rebuild part of my garden wall, that MAKES me a builder

No it doesn't.

Well. what if my brother looks at the wall i've built and asks and pays me to build a similar wall in his garden. I would have to go down look at the site, draw a rough sketch, see if he likes what i'm gona do, determine the amount of material needed from this, go to a wholesaler try to get the best materials at the cheapest rate, then take off a day as a pharmacist and build the wall on that day. would that make me a builder? if YES, the reply puzzles me as i'm doing essentially the same thing as I did for myself. if NOT what would, the career change link provides no info on this, and i've had ALOT of contact with builders and none of them obtained diplomas in xyz of building or any credible certificates in anything related, unless it was one of those "Health and safety/hygeine" type ones.

finally,

Corgi registered plumbers are now calling themselves a "Gas Safe Registered Engineer" - maybe they got sick of pharmacists putting them down????

Thats because gas "engineers" now have to register with the Gas Safe Register and not CORGI, to be legally allowed to carry out gas work.


Now, I know where this is coming from im a trainee economist, and would just like to say I am not trying to put down anyone, i dont have a superiority complex at all. If I was to look for a gf or wife, I wouldn't look at how well educated they were or how much they earned, just a good person who I get on with really well etc... so say if this girl turned out to be a waitress, I wouldn't mind that she works as that, what's important to me in this case is her ambition, she must have to ambition to work her way up to the best, but I wouldn't love her less if she wasn't there at the top. Other people, especially my work colleagues and fellow professionals might look down at me for it and say "oh he's married to a waiter while we are married to XYZ" but that wouldn't affect me and anyway for people to say that would be wrong. She would probably be the best party/dinner host, and I as a pharmacist would be useless.

[Hello]

Admin

there is a big, big difference between professionals and tradesmen. A tradesman can go out get drunk, urinate in the street, get arrested, charged with indecent exposure and turn up for work on Monday as normal.

If I were to do that my career would be in tatters!!!!

An extreme analogy I know, however it shows the difference between a tradesman or labourer and a professional. As a professional you have to act like a professional 24/7 and not just while at work. This is what sets professionals apart from labourers, navvies and tradesmen and by which the PUBLIC views us in higher esteem (like it or not ADMIN, but its true), the general view of tradesmen by the public is some type of Arthur Daley guy ready to rip us off as much as they can, especially old ladies lol.

Personally I do not look down on any profession or trade, however Joe Public may be more willing to put their trust in the hands of the highly academically trained professional in preference to the vocationally trained manual worker. This is what sets us apart and I am proud of that fact.

[Jeff]

ready to rip us off as much as they can, especially old ladies.

So Edna - an old lady comes in with an 18 item script - does pharmacy say
"Oh dear this is overprescribing in a big way - lets see if we can sort it out" or does pharmacy say "Edna - why don't you let us pick up your scripts from the surgery for you - and even deliver them if you'd like us to"