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[Jeff]

World hunger could be eradicated if we all became vegan

Not strictly true - that assumes that the land is available that would support crops rather than animals - in sub saharan Africa at least this is not the case.

Jeff

[gaby]

when did this turn into the political forum???

Originally Posted by Universal Angel

There is evil all over the world, why did they pick on Saddam exactly? What could Saddam have done with the oil that could justify killing innocents?

He was telling the middle east that they should determine the oil price not the buyer (west). which makes sense, you dont go into a shop and say i want that chocolate for 10p it's set at a rate and either you buy it or go away. But Bush didnt like this.

Originally Posted by Universal Angel

If lions can't survive without killing other animals, they are lazy and have defective physiologies.

actually the lioness will use her hunting skills and creep on her prey to get close then run after the prey. I dont think an animal that runs is lazy. Lazy are humans who sit infront of the TV and dont run resulting in obesity.

And if animals were not designed to kill and eat then why do they have teeth that are perfect for riping apart flesh not teeth designed to munch on grass???


It is easy to criticise other people's lifestyle. Im sure you are not perfect either. Cant people just live and let live.

[gaby]

Originally Posted by RXJOE

Nice link Uni, but it tries to show only one side of the story in The Lion King, it somehow entirely forgets that Simba's uncle kills his own brother, and most of the movie actually shows how brutal lions, hienas, and the other animals can be in the wild.

I hereby vote for you to be the first person to start training lions to follow your new vegetarian diet. You think pharmacy customers are bad, I'd like to see how long you'll last in that job!

I back your vote!!!

[Universal Angel]

Originally Posted by Linnear

I am setting my first Lion encounter and MA group (Meat Anonymous)
All ions with lazy physiologies will be eradicated and only those that are prepared to eat vegetables will be allowed to live.
#All we are saying
Is give peas a chance!#
They picked on Saddam because of the oil. Sorry couldn't you understand it the first time I said it? He could have stopped us nasty westerners getting the oil. Fancy doing without electricity and petrol?
Uni you're a loon. You aren't the way. Unless it's the way to the sanitarium!

Racist BNP idiots and ridiculous posh snobs with money and nepotistic power in Britain, could discriminate against a person who has real power. Should that person go and kill or permanently damage one of those people in a PRE-EMPTIVE attack. Or should they first wait and see if those people are prepared to play fairly before attacking them?
I'm sure lions could find other vegetation apart from the veg humans are used to. And yes, they should be eradicated in that manner. Many human killers plead insanity on the basis of chemical imbalances in their brain. If we let them run riot all over the world, you really wouldn't like the new race that would be created.
Trust someone like you to resort to throwing stones. I am not loony, and I surprise people by my breadth of knowledge, and it's canny application. I have an answer for everything, which is why insecure people like to lock threads when they are beat. Tony Benn is a politician who is both vegetarian and anti-war. He has been called barmy in the past, and there has always been rubbishing of his mental state by his opponents. The truth we all know, even if we do like to try and lie to ourselves when truth makes us uncomfortable. He is not barmy, and I am most certainly not a loon.

[Universal Angel]

Originally Posted by gaby

when did this turn into the political forum???
He was telling the middle east that they should determine the oil price not the buyer (west). which makes sense, you dont go into a shop and say i want that chocolate for 10p it's set at a rate and either you buy it or go away. But Bush didnt like this.
actually the lioness will use her hunting skills and creep on her prey to get close then run after the prey. I dont think an animal that runs is lazy. Lazy are humans who sit infront of the TV and dont run resulting in obesity.
And if animals were not designed to kill and eat then why do they have teeth that are perfect for riping apart flesh not teeth designed to munch on grass???
It is easy to criticise other people's lifestyle. Im sure you are not perfect either. Cant people just live and let live.

If Bush had paid the extra that Saddam wanted, he wouldn't have needed to spend money on warfare and propaganda. Saddam is not stupid, he only asked the West for what they could afford. And how much is a human life worth? That would be a question many mothers of American Easily Manipulated Soldiers would like to ask Bush.

The lioness IS lazy, and so is the lion. The lion got used to eating others, and the lions evolved lethal teeth, through greedy, evil selection.
Muggers run and attack people, when they should obtain what they want through utilising their skills in hard work. So are you telling me muggers are not lazy?

Most people who have not aquired perfect enlightenment, do find it difficult to understand how another mortal can be perfect. But believe me, perfection is very possible, especially if one is a spiritual angelic being.

[Universal Angel]

Originally Posted by Jeff

Not strictly true - that assumes that the land is available that would support crops rather than animals - in sub saharan Africa at least this is not the case.

Jeff

Almost a billion people across the world suffer from starvation or acute food shortage every day, and it is estimated that around 60 million of these people die each year. In a world that produces more than enough food to literally eradicate starvation, it is a crime that this situation should prevail.

Vast amounts of the world’s crop production, which includes just under 40% of the grain produced, is fed to animals which then get slaughtered to be eaten by a relatively small number of humans who can afford meat. Grain that is fed to livestock in the USA alone amounts to 135 million tons annually and could feed 400 million vegans.

Between 10 and 20 times more people can be fed on a plant based diet than on a meat based diet. There is no good reason why anyone, anywhere in the world should starve.

[Universal Angel]

Originally Posted by Steve G

Could you please tell me what any animals do apart from eating and mating? I mean you don't see many cows sitting around discussing the finer points of Kant or Shakespeare. Or are there some superintelligent cows that are hidden from public view?

I think you'll find that the physiology of lions, and other carnivores, are quite well adapted to killing. It's not too taxing to compare the teeth of cows, humans and lions, and see how they fit in with their diets. How exactly do yo propose to show animals that killing other animals to eat is wrong? Or do you just get a group of them and say 'Killing is bad, m'kay?'

Most of little Britain don't know who Kant is. They still have a right to exist. Me thinks. My point was that carnivores are the epitome of Evil, they are nasty and psychotic, with perverted lifestyles.

We could rehabilitate the lions by caging them so they don't turn to cannibalism, and feeding them grains. They CAN actually survive on vegetation. If that experiment didn't seem to be working with some of the carnivores, we could just put the unrepenting killers out of their misery.
Instead of attacking fellow humans from whom you are no better, and wickedly kicking Palestinians out of their homes, why don't the world leaders rahabilitate carnivores and help them with family planning, stop breeding herbivores, and let people live on the land thus liberated?
“And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to everything that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.”’ Genesis 1:30

I don't want to be one of the Evil Manipulators that gets thrown into Hell, because they went against God's plan of the lion and lamb. i.e. all different species, living in peace. Not only did the Evils let the lions become crazed, they joined them and attacked peaceful herbivores themselves. Reference for my contribution; http://www.answersingenesis.org/crea...22/i2/lion.asp

[Steve G]

Originally Posted by Universal Angel

I have an answer for everything, which is why insecure people like to lock threads when they are beat.

The problem is that often the answers either are wrong or have nothing to do with the question posed.

[gaby]

Originally Posted by Universal Angel

If Bush had paid the extra that Saddam wanted, he wouldn't have needed to spend money on warfare and propaganda.

But the problem was Saddam was also telling other Middle East leaders that it's their oil and they should determine the price. Also I think Bush had a personal agenda, it may have been humiliation for his father's defeat in gulf war 1. By the way i was never in favour of invading Iraq. So far Saddam had nothing at all, he was just boasting for nothing. (Russia did the same during the cold war when it had nothing at all, and the whole world feared Russia). It's kind of clever how Bush sent in people to destroy the few short range misiles he did have before launching an attack, he must have been laughing.

Originally Posted by Universal Angel

Saddam is not stupid, he only asked the West for what they could afford. And how much is a human life worth? That would be a question many mothers of American Easily Manipulated Soldiers would like to ask Bush.

Originally Posted by Universal Angel

The lioness IS lazy, and so is the lion. The lion got used to eating others, and the lions evolved lethal teeth, through greedy, evil selection.
Muggers run and attack people, but there is another way. So are you telling me muggers are not lazy?

Everything has a design and way of sustainability. Lions keep the population of what it eats (eg buffalos) down. When they are in short supply the population of lions reduces. And then the population of buffalos thrives then the population of lions increases etc etc. It's a cycle.

Originally Posted by Universal Angel

Most people who have not aquired perfect enlightenment, do find it difficult to understand how another mortal can be perfect.

There is always someone more enlightened than you, no matter how much you excel.

And the term perfection is relative. It depends on what one sees as perfect.

Originally Posted by Universal Angel

But believe me, perfection is very possible, especially if one is a spiritual angelic being.

are you a missionary???

[gaby]

Originally Posted by Universal Angel

Almost a billion people across the world suffer from starvation or acute food shortage every day, and it is estimated that around 60 million of these people die each year. In a world that produces more than enough food to literally eradicate starvation, it is a crime that this situation should prevail.

OK. Say the food is not given to animals in the United States, how exactly do you think that food is going to reach the poor in Africa??? Do you really think the government will send it to them??? How will they benefit from it???

At the end of the day the best way to handle the situation in Africa would be to provide jobs through tourist resorts (like kenyan safari). Give people means of growing their own food, importing other food. GM food can survive in hot conditions (look at India) India began doing well and getting out of poverty when it brought GM wheat from the west. And since it has seen improved crop yields due to crops being able to survive some harsh weathers and resistant to certain diseases.

Why is the west not offering GM crops to the poor in Africa??? And if it is why is africa not buying???

Where is the so called aid to africa being spent??? I havent really seen many improvements to be honest.

What businesses will do well in Africa??? Is there a way of helping set them up??? I know China has built tourist resorts in one of the African countries that was recently war torn (cant remember name, but i saw a program about it). The chinese investors say they see it as a business venture with the locals who will have jobs at the site after development.