Refusing EHC Supply

[admin]

Originally Posted by Linnear

My missus has a sign off for one of her forums:

Some people are like slinkies. Not much use but fun to push down the stairs!

I saw a T shirt the other day that said:

Some people are only alive because it's illegal to kill them!


Almost as good as my "Dip me in chocolate and feed me to the lesbians!"

Hell you are funny! I wish I lived in cornwall so we could go for a pint!

[Jeff]

Originally Posted by Universal Angel

I find "abortion" and "EHC" both allow the perpetrators to murder a soul, to whom they promised a chance at life....

Now while i disagree with you on both counts - I respect your right to hold a different view.
You are still faced with the obligation to signpost patients to another practitioner who doesn't hold your views.
Can you - in good concience - do so?

Jeff

[admin]

Jeff also said: -

If you decide against supply you are still obliged to signpost to another practitioner who will supply.. If you find that morally indefensible (as I would IF I thought EHC was wrong) then save your soul and find another profession.

So are you going to do the honourable thing and leave pharmacy? After all, your religious beliefs don't allow you to supply most pills, EHC, and your animal views don't allow you to supply any drug, do they?

If you feel so strongly about animal welfare, why did you choose to work in a job that every single drug you dispense or sell has been tested on animals? Doesn't looking at all those boxes and thinking of all the animals that died to put them there drive you crazy all day long?

[kemzero]

Originally Posted by gaby

Personally I believe all medical professionals should not refuse to supply something due to their own religious beliefs.

I agree with Gaby , regardless of religion it is the patients' choice.God has given us all free- will who are we to interfere with someone elses?..its the patients' choice not ours,we are there to provide a service not to hinder it based on our beliefs. By refusing to supply we are judging the patient ..who are we to judge the bible teaches "Judge not..." also it says let he who is without sin cast the first stone...
Let free will prevail...we will all have to give account of ourselves on judgement day (my beliefs,you don't have to agree with me and that principle should be applied to everyday life and EHC supplies!)

[admin]

I have a feeling you're gonna start her off again mentioning the God word................

[Jeff]

Originally Posted by kemzero

I agree with Gaby , regardless of religion it is the patients' choice.God has given us all free- will who are we to interfere with someone elses?..its the patients' choice not ours,we are there to provide a service not to hinder it based on our beliefs. By refusing to supply we are judging the patient ..who are we to judge the bible teaches "Judge not..." also it says let he who is without sin cast the first stone...
Let free will prevail...we will all have to give account of ourselves on judgement day (my beliefs,you don't have to agree with me and that principle should be applied to everyday life and EHC supplies!)

But NOT OTC addiction?

I disagree with Gaby - If you believe something to be morally wrong you shouldn't be obliged to go along with it ("I was only obeying orders" ceased to be a legal (or moral)defence at Nuremberg)
I similarly think that the obliation to signpost is in itself a moral dilemma.

So how do you feel about euthanasia - do you wish to be involved if it becomes legal in the UK - if you don't should you be obliged to signpost?
Whilst it remains illegal here should you be allowed to signpost to those countries and clinics that provide the service?

Jeff

[gaby]

Again i believe we should not judge people who wish to go thru euthanasia.

It must take alot of pain and suffering to want death.

And if someone feels death is better than their life at present, then that is their choice and it should be granted, but only in certain extreme situations.

[Jeff]

Originally Posted by gaby

Again i believe we should not judge people who wish to go thru euthanasia.

Neither do I.

And if someone feels death is better than their life at present, then that is their choice and it should be granted, but only in certain extreme situations.

But your last six words imply judgement i.e. if someone other than the patient has to decide that the situation is extreme.

PS I'm not saying that this is easy - only that we as individuals should have the right to say that we will not be professionally involved at any level.

Jeff

[admin]

Jeff

I would certainly agree with you that these are not easy matters for some people. For what it's worth: -

1. I would not supply people addicted to OTC medication because the society take that as unprofessional, and yes I'm scared of them.

2. I have no problem supplying EHC

3. I hate premarin (etc) as I have seen evidence from the World Society for the Protection of Animals, and I believe it's manufacture is not necessary, and cruel. I don't refuse to supply it though, as I don't think the society would approve, and yes I'm scared of them.

4. If they tried to get me to supply medicines made from bits of Tigers, Apes etc then I'd change jobs.

5. I'd have no problem supplying drugs for euthanasia. The problem with that I believe is what you point out in your post: -

But your last six words imply judgement i.e. if someone other than the patient has to decide that the situation is extreme.

This is the hardest part, because if left to some people they would try to get this done and they might just have a mental illness like depression. I don't believe you can let anybody take their own life, so that obviously introduces the opinions of others. There is of course the potential problem of people trying to "get granny bumped off".

Having other people decide who can take their own life then introduces the dilemma of who decides and upon which criteria they use.

Did you ever see a TV programme where people wanted one (or more) of their own limbs amputating because they didn't feel it was "part of them" etc ? One guy wanted both his legs amputating even though he was physically healthy. As I remember there were a few people who had actually had limbs amputated by willing Dr's. What's your views on this - should it happen?

[Universal Angel]

Originally Posted by admin

So are you going to do the honourable thing and leave pharmacy? After all, your religious beliefs don't allow you to supply most pills, EHC, and your animal views don't allow you to supply any drug, do they?

If you feel so strongly about animal welfare, why did you choose to work in a job that every single drug you dispense or sell has been tested on animals? Doesn't looking at all those boxes and thinking of all the animals that died to put them there drive you crazy all day long?

Leaving the profession will not save even one animal from torture, as it will not make it any more difficult for patients to get those meds.
As Jeff says, I am obliged to redirect EHC supplies, but my refusal can still make a difference, and if I am given the option of refusing, it makes sense to take advantage of small mercies.
If all the pharmacists in a local area opted out of EHC, a half-drunk couple would think twice before a quick one, and more couples would have to take responsibility for what they started, rather than perverting the nature of sex. Perversion, even behind closed doors, leads to negative repercussions for everyone when the perpetrators come out into society....

You say "if you feel so strongly about animal welfare" as though that's a strange thing. A quote from American author Alice Walker; "The animals of the world exist for their own reasons. They were not made for humans any more than black people were made for white, or women created for men".
Not so long ago, racism was legalised in many parts of the world. I want speciesism abolished, because Speciesism Sucks. So no, I don't go crazy thinking of evil perpetrators, I'm at the other end of the spectrum, and am completely sane. I do my bit by working with animal rights organisations such as PETA, campaigning in my spare time.