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    Mur threats

    I just wondering how many people have hear been threatened with performance managment/ disciplinary over not hitting an average of 8 murs a week.

    Also if you have been threated, have the threats worked are, you now doing 8 murs a week or like have me have you put your notice in and found a new job.

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    Re: Mur threats

    do you have the threats in writing? are you a pda member? if so, contact them asap and they'll help you nail said company/manager to the wall. Threats of disciplinary action for not hitting MUR targets is strictly against all guidance issued by the GPhC. MURs should be carried out where there is a clinical need, not simply to hit a target and pressure to do MURs for financial benefit alone is not encouraged (although we are all aware of the realities at the coalface) .

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    Re: Mur threats

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir_Dispensalot View Post
    do you have the threats in writing? are you a pda member? if so, contact them asap and they'll help you nail said company/manager to the wall. Threats of disciplinary action for not hitting MUR targets is strictly against all guidance issued by the GPhC. MURs should be carried out where there is a clinical need, not simply to hit a target and pressure to do MURs for financial benefit alone is not encouraged (although we are all aware of the realities at the coalface) .

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    Seconded.
    Important to document what is said, when it was said and who said it.
    It could add up to harrassment and bullying in the workplace.
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    Re: Mur threats

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir_Dispensalot View Post
    do you have the threats in writing? are you a pda member? if so, contact them asap and they'll help you nail said company/manager to the wall. Threats of disciplinary action for not hitting MUR targets is strictly against all guidance issued by the GPhC. MURs should be carried out where there is a clinical need, not simply to hit a target and pressure to do MURs for financial benefit alone is not encouraged (although we are all aware of the realities at the coalface) .

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    Im in the pda (money well spent) ive faxed them the letters and noted the times I was threatened but I feel I cant work for a company where they feel they have to bully people.

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    Re: Mur threats

    Quote Originally Posted by ha0dho View Post
    or like have me have you put your notice in and found a new job.
    That's exactly what I did, and it's a million miles better. You don't have to put up with it, there ARE still jobs out there where you don't get bullied to do MURs.
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    Re: Mur threats

    Quote Originally Posted by ha0dho View Post
    Im in the pda (money well spent) ive faxed them the letters and noted the times I was threatened but I feel I cant work for a company where they feel they have to bully people.
    OK, I'm not a barrack room lawyer, and those who know me usually comment on how easy going and cooperative I am.
    However, if you are being expected to work in a high demand pharmacy and can't fit in the targets that's different.
    So here it is...

    If you leave you can take them to a tribunal for 'constructive dismissal'.
    Bullying, setting unrealistic targets without providing support to achieve them.

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    Re: Mur threats

    Quote Originally Posted by Pharmanaut View Post
    OK, I'm not a barrack room lawyer, and those who know me usually comment on how easy going and cooperative I am.
    However, if you are being expected to work in a high demand pharmacy and can't fit in the targets that's different.
    So here it is...

    If you leave you can take them to a tribunal for 'constructive dismissal'.
    Bullying, setting unrealistic targets without providing support to achieve them.

    Constructive dismissal : Directgov - Employment

    Don't forget you might be a professional person but you still have employee rights.

    However, you need to have evidence and records as mentioned.
    I have to put in a grievance before I can go for constructive dismissal and its appartently hard to get constructive dismissal according to the pda. I have also phoned acas about the times I have been threatened with the sack pay docked etc and they say that ive companies want they can use threats.

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    Re: Mur threats

    Well might be best to move on to something else.
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    Re: Mur threats

    Hi
    We are being hit, by phone calls from area manager each day sometimes twice a day wanting mur figures! It's doing all our heads in, do we dispense for all the waiting customers? do murs properly which takes longer than 5 mins unlike some places if done correctly and not at the counter, like I have seen some done. This then takes away our only pharmacist, and now being pushed for intervention targets as well and an unrealistic figure for more dossetts!

    They have no idea how community pharmacies are run, we do not always have the constant footful like the giant shops, but many behind the scenes jobs that targets do not take into account, with the limited staff, of just three, lots of elderly customers that do not go to the larger towns and we are all working 200% the cracks are starting to come.

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    Re: Mur threats

    Quote Originally Posted by jessie View Post
    Hi
    We are being hit, by phone calls from area manager each day sometimes twice a day wanting mur figures! It's doing all our heads in, do we dispense for all the waiting customers? do murs properly which takes longer than 5 mins unlike some places if done correctly and not at the counter, like I have seen some done. This then takes away our only pharmacist, and now being pushed for intervention targets as well and an unrealistic figure for more dossetts!

    They have no idea how community pharmacies are run, we do not always have the constant footful like the giant shops, but many behind the scenes jobs that targets do not take into account, with the limited staff, of just three, lots of elderly customers that do not go to the larger towns and we are all working 200% the cracks are starting to come.
    What interventions are being set targets?
    I can understand targets (But not condone) MUR targets, but as I understand it we don't get paid for interventions?
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