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    Re: Seroxat/paxil

    Quote Originally Posted by Nikolai View Post
    What i find unbelievable is the failure on the docs + psychiatrists part to refer you to appropriate services, maybe a clinical psychologist or to someone who could have helped you using non-drug methods.
    Hmm. It's coming, but don't hold your breath. Also the preoccupation NICE has with RCTs means that the various "non-drug therapies" are judged on the basis of comparing and assessing psychological techniques, whereas all the research that's ever been done on the subject demonstrates clearly that the outcome depends on the strength of relationship that can be forged between the client and therapist. NICE are measuring the least-important part of the job, and extrapolating from that as to how the job should be done. This has let to such developments as computer programs to treat patients, and cbt delivered by workers with a couple of months training. OK, so, we all know that some people respond to self-help books and the like - bibliotherapy, as its known in the trade. But sticking plasters tend to come off quickly, and if the wound hasn't healed of itself.....

    Gone, apparently, in the NHS are the days when a short course of therapy was for less than 30 sessions. Now, you are lucky to get six. (You can do a lot in six sessions, I believe , but it may not be enough to work through a lifetimes worth of unhelpful occurrances, shall we say.)

    I know of someone who was advised to come off sertraline 50mg daily, which she had been on for ten years, when she wanted to become pregnant. She was told by a psychiatrist that it would be fine if she just stopped. She was not supported or signposted to psychological services, despite the fact that no psychological work had been done on the presenting issues for which she was prescribed sertraline in the first place. "I feel fine, now" was apparently sufficiently reassuring for them. Within two weeks she was pregnant, and therefore reluctant to medicate. Within a month she was suicidal, and her husband had to give up his job and stay with her 24/7 to try and help her to stay alive. The child was born and, surprise, has some emotional detachment issues which have lead to some idiots diagnosing her as having an autistic spectum disorder, rather than seeing her as being emotionally neglected because her parents couldn't cope, and having been incubated in a suicidal "atmosphere" for 9 months.

    Three years on and the wife can now leave the house safely, and is probably a world authority on sertraline side effects and withdrawal, serotonin syndrome, and complimentary therapies for the above generally.

    Fortunately for many of those concerned, she is too emotionally fragile to contemplate the rigours of pursuing those who badly advised her for reparations.
    ....just my opinion

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    Re: Seroxat/paxil

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidS View Post
    Also the preoccupation NICE has with RCTs means that the various "non-drug therapies" are judged on the basis of comparing and assessing psychological techniques, whereas all the research that's ever been done on the subject demonstrates clearly that the outcome depends on the strength of relationship that can be forged between the client and therapist. NICE are measuring the least-important part of the job, and extrapolating from that as to how the job should be done. This has let to such developments as computer programs to treat patients
    Aaarrrrgh - you have just challenged some of my long held assumptions.
    I regularly recommend Living Life To The Full a computer based CBT.

    References please - especially for "whereas all the research that's ever been done on the subject demonstrates clearly that the outcome depends on the strength of relationship that can be forged between the client and therapist."

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    Re: Seroxat/paxil

    Hi thank you for your kind words, I really dont know where to go now and would love to get some help as I dont live I exist from day to day. I think after my op I will go back to the doctors and see if a phycolgist could help me.

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    Re: Seroxat/paxil

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff View Post
    References please - especially for "whereas all the research that's ever been done on the subject demonstrates clearly that the outcome depends on the strength of relationship that can be forged between the client and therapist."
    Please see this letter from John Rowan in "Therapy Today" which sums up the issue, with references, rather well:

    Therapy Today - The Online Magazine for Counsellors and Psychotherapists

    Its still worth recommending Living Life to the Full as a first resort, but always make it clear to your customer that there is a lot more possible in therapy than computer assisted CBT!
    ....just my opinion

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    Re: Seroxat/paxil

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidS View Post
    always make it clear to your customer that there is a lot more possible in therapy than computer assisted CBT!
    Quote from the Living Life to the Full website making that point: (slightly edited by me as written as bullet points to support audio presentation)

    When this course isn't enough:
    Important to see this course realistically
    It is a practical life skills course
    Not offering treatment or expert intervention
    it isn't a replacement for seeing a practitioner
    We advise discussing that you are using the course with your health care practitioner/doctor
    If you feel too low/struggle to have the motivation to do the course, you may well require additional help
    ....just my opinion

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