Failing Pre-reg year

[ramroum]

I think many of the pre-reg at hospitals are signed off for about

[johnep]

A male pharmacist would be more sympathetic.
johnep

[ramroum]

True unfortunately.

[Pharmanaut]

Originally Posted by ramroum

True, women are mean to other female students usually unfortunately.

A bit of a generalisation there, but I'm wondering if the tutor feels 'threatened' in some peculiar way by a bright young pre-reg?

[Jeff]

Originally Posted by parent of pre-reg student

she was even failed for not communicating in clear English.

My experience of pre-reg students is limited to locumming with them, however I'd fail most on their ability to communicate for maybe the first 6 months.
There's too much new stuff going on for them to be confident enough to communicate well.

Her uni mates got between 10 and 40 competencies depending upon where they work - so she's doing much worse than they are, yet they all got the same degree and she has been asked to do so much more than they have when they have all compared notes.

Perhaps a difference between a structured approach to tutoring and an unstructured approach. (and I'm not stating a preference)

It seems so unfair and random

Life is.

- her tutor does not approve of her personality - I don't think it's about Pharmacy at all but other issues - but she has all the power!

The number of times I've heard my children say something similar about their teachers (gdrvvf).
Shy and polite doesn't cut it in community pharmacy - the reasons a customer will choose you rather than the next pharmacist - is down to the impression that you make with them.

Still, she has drawn up an action plan to move to the 26 week review - she ticked "some progress" rather than none, but "satisfactory" would have felt so much safer - I still feel she is being kept on a knife edge - how can she grow in confidence or competence with this level of micro management and constant disapproval?

So whose school report described them as

Q1 ..... 'idle' and 'inattentive'.?

Q2 “cannot be trusted to behave himself anywhere”, and that he was “so regular in his irregularity that I really don’t know what to do”.

Q3“He is rebellious, objectionable, idle, imbecilic, inefficient, antagonising, untidy, lunatic, albino, conceited, inflated, impertinent, underhand, lazy and smug.”

Q4 “He has glaring faults, and they have certainly glared at us this term.”

Q5 “Hopeless . . . certainly on the road to failure.”

Q6. ".. shows great originality, which must be curbed at all costs.”

Q7. "... has set herself an extremely low standard which she has failed to maintain'

Q8, "...grasp of elementary dynamics is truly astonishing. Had he lived in an earlier aeon, I have little doubt but that the wheel would now be square and the principle of the lever just one more of man’s impossible dreams'

I think the whole year is going to be awful, and we'll be waiting in dread for the 26 week review - will the axe fall then? Can we do anything? Things feel quite hopeless/pointless - what a frightful trudge!

It's a bit like learning to drive - lots of going through the individual bits - then suddenly for no apparent reason it comes together.

Jeff

[the old merlin]

It might be worth talking to someone experienced. One advantage of being a pe-reg in hospital is that there are usually several pharmacists involved, and thus personality clashes become less important.
When, years before, I was a community pre-reg tutor I tried to get opinions from others as to how a student was doing, since itwas often just me and him or her. Of course, in those days there wasn't anywhere near so much of what I have to say seem like paperwork for paperwork's sake!

If the worried student is in Essex/Suffolk I'd be happy to have a chat and see how I think she comes across.

[parent of pre-reg student]

Originally Posted by Jeff

My experience of pre-reg students is limited to locumming with them, however I'd fail most on their ability to communicate for maybe the first 6 months.
There's too much new stuff going on for them to be confident enough to communicate well.


Perhaps a difference between a structured approach to tutoring and an unstructured approach. (and I'm not stating a preference)

Life is.

The number of times I've heard my children say something similar about their teachers (gdrvvf).
Shy and polite doesn't cut it in community pharmacy - the reasons a customer will choose you rather than the next pharmacist - is down to the impression that you make with them.

So whose school report described them as

Q1 ..... 'idle' and 'inattentive'.?

Q2 “cannot be trusted to behave himself anywhere”, and that he was “so regular in his irregularity that I really don’t know what to do”.

Q3“He is rebellious, objectionable, idle, imbecilic, inefficient, antagonising, untidy, lunatic, albino, conceited, inflated, impertinent, underhand, lazy and smug.”

Q4 “He has glaring faults, and they have certainly glared at us this term.”

Q5 “Hopeless . . . certainly on the road to failure.”

Q6. ".. shows great originality, which must be curbed at all costs.”

Q7. "... has set herself an extremely low standard which she has failed to maintain'

Q8, "...grasp of elementary dynamics is truly astonishing. Had he lived in an earlier aeon, I have little doubt but that the wheel would now be square and the principle of the lever just one more of man’s impossible dreams'


It's a bit like learning to drive - lots of going through the individual bits - then suddenly for no apparent reason it comes together.

Jeff

Jeff, what does "ggvdf" stand for? Please keep making me laugh - it keeps the horror at bay - I'm in danger of taking the whole thing way too seriously - it's so annoying to realise that if it was happening to me I'd deal with it - it's because it's my baby, big as she is, that my perspective is obscured by red mist! I'm reading "Hannibal Rising" later!

[Jeff]

Did you mean gdrvvf?
Grinning, Ducking and Running Very Very Fast.

Jeff

[parent of pre-reg student]

Shy and polite is want I think her Tutor wants - she's rather loud and jolly, likes a laugh, not that she's rude, just frank. Wonder if it's the northern accent and lack of middle class standing on ceremony....? Would Peter Kay hack it in Pharmacy.....?supposing he passed the killer degree course that seems to be no preparation at all for the job!
Thanks so much everybody - you are getting me through this - I know it's all a bit off kilter when I feel worse than she does!

[the old merlin]

Originally Posted by parent of pre-reg student

Shy and polite is want I think her Tutor wants - she's rather loud and jolly, likes a laugh, not that she's rude, just frank. Wonder if it's the northern accent and lack of middle class standing on ceremony....? !

Two points PoP-RS

Traditionally, we were supposed not to be loud and jolly; a textbook just about still in use in my student days included something to the effect that laughter was not appropriate in a pharmacy. It was, though, common in the one where I did my pre-reg!
And sometimes you have to "pull your punches"; find a way of telling a patient that they're a fool without actually using the word. (For example).
And, although a middle-class southerner, I did my pre-reg in the north, in Coronation Street country, where I was regarded as a bit of a curiosity.

However, as a father of three and grandfather of six I sympathise with you; it's a constant surprise that my "children" do the work that they do, and with the people that they do! I sometimes have to pull myself up sharply and remind myself that a lot of the people I work with (when I do) and respect for their knowledge and ability, are the same age as my "little ones"!
Wait until your first grandchild goes to work, or Uni. How can they possibly cope with everything!?!
But they can, and do. Very well!

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